3 Things to Avoid When Fundraising in LA

by Ryan on January 18, 2011

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DISCLAIMER: Everything that I write in this blog is my opinion and you may disagree with it / be offended by it. That’s ok. :-)

It’s been over 3 years since I moved to LA and started what I’ll call the Los Angeles Venture Capital “fundraising scene”.  Over the past 3 years, I’ve raised a good deal of money (some disclosed, some undisclosed) and I’ve formed a few opinions along the way, which I’m going to share here in hopes that you can avoid wasting valuable time as you go about your own fundraising efforts in Los Angeles.

1. DON’T PITCH THE BITCH (i.e. Don’t pitch “Associates”)

In this instance, “the bitch” = “the associate at a VC firm” (gender agnostic). Don’t waste your time pitching associates at VC firms.  In my opinion, VC associates have absolutely ZERO decision making ability / influence and will likely leave the firm within a 2 to 3 year period for one reason or another so any long term firm relationship you to wish establish through them will likely fade.  Don’t bother pitching associates, it’s just a waste of your time.  Would you try and sell something to someone if you knew that they ultimately didn’t have the power to approve the purchase?  You’d go right to the decision maker and pitch them wouldn’t you?  I’m not saying you should be rude to VC associates, but what I am saying is that when it’s time to pitch, go straight for the VC partners with real check writing ability.  If they continually pass you off to an associate, be wary.  It’s straight out of the movie Boiler Room, except that in Boiler Room they chauvinistically advise not to sell stock to women. Seriously, don’t pitch the bitch.

2. PAY LITTLE TO NO ATTENTION TO THE FORMALIZED ANGEL GROUPS

Every young entrepreneur in LA has heard of the Tech Coast Angels and their unaffiliated clones /  red headed step children – The Pasadena Angels and The Maverick Angels (who actually charge you to pitch – run to the hills). In particular, if you have a “consumer internet” company, i.e. the kind of company you see regularly covered on TechCrunch, then my advice is to not bother with any of the LA based formalized angel groups.  The reasons are too numerous to mention (HINT:  They are Dinosaurs and although they’ll be bragging about Green Dot for the next decade or more, don’t be fooled, you’ll be wasting your valuable time and energy trying to get in front of them).

Rather than ranting aimlessly about these groups (NOTE: I’d be happy to debate them publicly about my issues with them), I’ll just simplify my reasoning behind this point with the following short story:  Someone high up (i.e. a seasoned member) at one of the groups recently told me that he’s fundraising for a new company of his own.  When I asked if he planned on pitching the same formalized angel group at which he holds office, said NO (I’ll refrain from detailing why in an effort not to sell him up the river).  Amazing right?  I could go on and on and ultimately into a tirade ripping into these groups but I’ll keep it professional and just tell you that if a member of the group thinks it’s a waste of time to pitch the group itself, then it’s likely a waste of time for you too.  If you are absolutely set on pitching members of formalized LA based angel groups (TCA, Pasadena Angels, and Maverick Angels), then go directly to the individual angel members themselves for personal investments (rather than the group) or better yet, go and pitch angels that don’t associate themselves with one of these formalized groups.

3. DON’T PITCH FIRMS WITH NO MONEY!

This may sound totally obvious but reality, it’s not always easy to tell, and there are at least a handful of “cashless VCs” in LA.  Due to the awful economy of 2008, 2009 (RIP Good Times), and beyond, some VCs have died off or are in the process of slow downward spiral.  Some have had a hard time raising new funds and are close to or already out of cash.  Those that still have cash are slow playing their hands, or have reserved their remaining cash exclusively for follow on investments (i.e. topping off their existing portfolio companies when cash gets low).  That being said, these VCs still hang around the “fundraising scene” and will often take a meeting with you, even though they have little to no cash to actively invest, just to ensure themselves that there are not passing on the next Twitter, Groupon, or Zynga. The problem here being that they wouldn’t have the check to write even if they thought you were the next $1B+ exit.  So how do you know which firms are out of money? Here’s 3 easy ways…

1. Ask them point blank how much cash they have to put towards new investments, the last investment they made, and the amount of the check.

2.  Ask around – i.e. other VCs and entrepreneurs to get a 2nd opinion of the firm and it’s financial position, and

3.  Do a little research and find out when they closed their last fund and the amount of the fund.

If everything passes the smell test, then by all means go ahead and court the heck out of them.  If things don’t add up, be sure to ask for intros to other investors that are more active.

UPDATE:

Legendary LA VC Jim Armstrong of Clearstone Ventures wrote a great reubuttal post on his blog here.  Check it out. Jim’s the man!

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  • http://twitter.com/ericmjackson Eric M. Jackson

    Great post, Ryan. I can’t wait to see what kind of debate it provokes.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Thanks Eric! I took some obvious shots in hope that it wold stir up some controversy…I think it will be republished on SocalTECH which I’m sure all of TCA reads so it’s probably only a matter of time before we can have an open debate and clear the air about some of these issues.

  • Guest

    Ryan, with all due respect – not sure about LA, but at least in Silicon Valley, myself and many of my fellow Associate/VP level VCs have been responsible for supporting and closing many investments in some of the most promising new companies. A lot of entrepreneurs out there are quite happy that they took the time to “pitch the bitch!”

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Thanks! My opinions are often wrong and it’s great to hear about how you’re able to get companies funded at the associate level. I guess point #1 isn’t valid in Silicon Valley. It may not actually be valid in LA for all I know. What I do know is that it’s a cool quote to use. :-)

  • John S.

    Eric, these three points are spot on! Point 1, in fact, applies to many situations (i.e., any deal negotiation for any product/content or service). And point 2 I discovered through experience. It’s a complete waste of time jumping through the angel groups’ complicated hoops, and indeed indicative of the old way of doing things.

  • John S.

    Not true. I’ve wasted time talking to bitches who exercise their egos to no ones’ benefit. Think of it this way, it is too easy to say “no”… because there’s less risk. And it’s even easier to say “no” in groups, for fear of criticism from your equally bitch colleagues. Skip the annoyance.

  • John S.

    Not true. I’ve wasted time talking to bitches who exercise their egos to no ones’ benefit. Think of it this way, it is too easy to say “no”… because there’s less risk. And it’s even easier to say “no” in groups, for fear of criticism from your equally bitch colleagues. Skip the annoyance.

  • John S.

    Not true. I’ve wasted time talking to bitches who exercise their egos to no ones’ benefit. Think of it this way, it is too easy to say “no”… because there’s less risk. And it’s even easier to say “no” in groups, for fear of criticism from your equally bitch colleagues. Skip the annoyance.

  • http://twitter.com/aaronmoskowitz aaronmoskowitz

    Great points Ryan. I could turn this topic into a multi-volume response in agreement with everything you point out above. Let’s just be honest, most companies do not become successful because they have an angel investor. Money does not make a good business. Foresight, leadership, and elbow grease create success. Try finding any of these qualities at a pitch competition… Let alone money :)

  • http://twitter.com/aaronmoskowitz aaronmoskowitz

    I believe that Ryan was talking about LA.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    I think this is my comment on this blog ever! thanks aaron!

  • http://learntoduck.com/ micah

    ding ding ding. right on target, except, I do think taking meetings with associates is important, just dont expect them to make decisions.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Thanks Micah! Nice to find you here. I totally agree that you should take meetings with associates. And calling them beeeaaatches was mean. I feel bad but the line from Boiler Room is just too good!

  • TomTierney

    3 Things to Avoid When Fundraising in LA… FOR ENTREPRENEURS:

    1. DON’T DITCH YOUR “REP” FOR RE-TWEETS

    It’s enticing in the “blogosphere” to be controversial for “controversy sake” to up your page views and re-tweets, but remember internet data is cached… forever. Value your reputation over transient internet analytics.

    In this case, the TCA has invested in consumer facing internet companies over the years: “myShape” is doing well, we’ve had recent investments in “Vokle”, “MasherMedia”, “Loop’d Network” and “ElephantDrive” which have consumer facing components. There are probably many more investments that I can’t think of off the top of my head that also fall in the internet space. In addition, we’ve invested in software, hardware, bio tech and even more exotic investments in MEMs and nano technology. Not bad for “dinosaurs”.

    Some of these investments will succeed, some will fail, such is the nature of early stage investing.

    2. DON’T BURN BRIDGES UNNECESSARILY

    If you have a problem with a person or organization, confront them with the criticism directly to hopefully be a change agent. Don’t unnecessarily burn bridges.

    In this case, the TCA might be slower than you like when considering your idea or company. Bring any issues up to chapter leaders (chapter president’s email addresses are in the “contact” portion of the web site). Ask about the process when applying and be aware of the time frames involved.

    A TCA member may attempt to fund a deal outside the network for a variety of reasons: maybe the amount being raised, the time line required for funding or the notion, perceived or real, that the network will or will not fund the idea or company.

    As an aside: we are much more critical internally of our processes and are constantly trying to enhance the deal process and deal flow.

    3. DON’T KNOCK DINOSAURS!

    Humans have been around for tens of thousands of years, dinosaurs existed for roughly 160M years and were one of the more successful species in terms of longevity on the planet Earth.

    Like this original post, humans are prone to self-destruction. Let’s get to maybe 100 million years of existence before we get any feeling of superiority.

    Respectfully,
    Tom Tierney–
    Brontosaurus with Velociraptor tendencies
    TCA-San Diego

  • http://twitter.com/DeadZones DeadZones.com

    I agree with 90% of your posts but their are exceptions.

    First time entrepreneurs should work with angel groups for mentoring. VC associates are valuable to pitch if they have relevant domain expertise. SoCal VC firms are handicapped with a shortage of capital for several reasons but doesn’t mean that all funds without money will never raise money again. Liquidity seems to be coming and hopefully this will change.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Thanks so much for the comment Tom. I really appreciate it and I hope that the post helps you change TCA for the better. Let me address your points:

    1. The tone of the post is purposefully harsh. Don’t be offended by it. I’m willing to bet that the folks at TCA have read this post and many (likely the majority) are of the understanding that the reputation is bad, people are upset, and something at TCA needs to change – big time. In fact, a new comment just came in from TCA’s former investment screener saying he agrees 90% with what I wrote (90% is pretty darn good). Given that your own people are agreeing with me, why should I have any problem leaving this post online.

    2. I’m also willing to bet that my long term relationship with TCA (and you too) is greatly strengthened by all of this. If you’re a member of TCA, it means you’re a smart, successful, mature individual. Along with this maturity comes a certain level of empathy, and you should be able to empathize with my point of view and realize that other entrepreneurs agree with it (hence the retweets) and you should take the valuable feedback back to TCA and learn, grow, and prosper from it. Again – I’m willing to openly debate my issues with TCA and in my post I tried to refrain from going into detail. If you and I were to discuss in person, you would get more details and I’m certain that your level of understanding would increase and that you would no longer feel that I’ve burned any bridges, but rather reinforced them. If you’re really telling me that by posting what I did has burned a bridge with TCA then that’s just more the reason for other entrepreneurs to avoid you. I’m willing to bet there’s no bridge burned.

    3. I love dinosaurs (seriously I do – I’ve been moderately obsessed with them since I was a child). The dinosaur reference comes from Dave McClure and it just means that you all are like traditional VCs. Don’t take it personally, it’s actually not a knock and it has nothing to do with average age. Please click the link above on the work Dinosaur to learn more about how the word dinosaur can be used to refere to someone as an “old school VC”.

    Thanks again for your feedback. We should catch up in person the next time you’re in LA.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Thanks for the comment! I have actually had some great relationships come through VC associates, my post was designed to inspire controversy and I think that people should take “Don’t pitch the bitch” to mean – “Always try and get a partner meeting first”. Nothing I write is absolute. I really do appreciate your comment and I too am hopeful that Socal gets some fresh capital infusions soon.

  • TomTierney

    This was private email I sent to Ryan which is probably an appropriate response here as well:

    Don’t sweat it… we (TCA) are a group of investors (250-300) who invest individually and certainly have lots of varying opinions and many internal struggles. Believe me, we bust our own chops internally much worse that you did in your blog… but that happens in private.

    However, we have to start doing a better job of defining ourselves rather than letting others control the message. I understand you have your opinion and that’s fine, but I think people should be careful about the trail of 0’s and 1’s they leave on the net.

    I won’t post on this anymore, not trying to create a pissing contest.

    Hell, maybe this is a good marketing thing in the long run: TCA will have their next entrepreneur social at the La Brea Tarpits! :)

    In a day or so, this too shall pass…

    Take care,
    Tom–

  • Richard Koffler

    Tom, I’m not sure that others control our message. Having been a TCA member for many years, I frequently come across entrepreneurs who are upset because we passed (the emotional equivalent of telling a mother that her child is ugly and stupid and has no future). Too many come to us with the strange belief that we have an obligation to invest part of our hard-earned individual net worths in their ideas. After all, aren’t angels supposed to readily and quickly fund early-stage ventures?

    So let me pose Ryan the question: Would the world be better off if the TCA hadn’t existed and therefore not invested $100 million (yes, 100) in 160 companies since 1997? Green Dot might be TCA’s only mega-success so far, but the founders, staff and co-investors of all 160 companies obtained value from receiving the money and time given to them by the TCA. Anyone who spits on this out of frustration needs to reconsider before asking for empathy.

  • Richard Koffler

    Regarding VC associates, Ryan’s statements are enormously exaggerated. Yes, some associates should be doing something else or getting attitude adjustments, but I have found most to be excellent people who provide value to those entrepreneurs who know how to listen.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Richard the post was intended to be snarky. Of course the world is better with TCA and please know that I with hindsight, TCA would have made the worst investors in my company and I’m not at all upset that you passed. You will learn why soon.

    Due to confidentiality, I can’t say more at this moment but when the news is announced (by end of Feb), you’ll know why this is true – that I am not upset you passed. Don’t think that I posted this message because you all passed on my deal. I posted this because your organization needs to change. Get over it. Don’t be bitter about it. You should understand how your organization is regarded by LA entrepreneurs (not everyone agrees with me but this blog doesn’t get 21+ FB likes and 40+ Retweets ever so something is right here). Your deal flow (and returns) will suffer because of your rep. TCA should work hard to change for the better and welcome criticism.

  • http://www.ryanborn.net ryanborn

    Yes – it’s totally exaggerated. Point #1 is just supposed to mean “try and get partner meetings when you can”. Relax – I used the term from Boiler Room to get attention, and it worked. It’s not a big deal and it’s not even a curse word.

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